Role in the bombing

Is it absolutely determined that she bombed the kids + medics? I thought the only person who said this was the case was Snow. I know the evidence indicates that this was, indeed, the case but I don't think it was fully determined. As it stands this wiki entry makes statements that promote a single interpretation while more interpretations may be valid. It could easily be the case that Coin was not as evil as Katness ultimately determined. Katness could have been wrong. 20:00, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, what other interpretations do you mean? BrokenSphere (Talk) 20:05, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
The big alternative is that the capital did, in fact, bomb the kids. Snow could have easily been lying because he is really good at mind-games and knew that suggesting this to Katness would get her to kill Coin even if it wasn't true. There are probably others too. Slifty 19:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
As much as this is well thought out, I remember that Gale made the bomb specifically to kill off some people and kill the rest and whoever came to help. Though this many not help as much as you would like, it is true that the bomb was made by Gale and Beetee, and as far as i'm concerned is that Coin is the one who held that type of bomb in possession. Thought it may be possible that Snow did discover this, it was Coin who sent the medics and, as far as we know, Coin who released the bombs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainfacestar (talkcontribs) 13:02, April 9, 2012
Oh absolutely Gale and Betee had invented that tactic in 13, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have also been invented by the capital. I saw the whole point of the Gale / Beetee story was to illustrate the tension of thinking the way the Capitol thinks and adopting their types of morally questionable tactices.
Again, I'm not saying that it wasn't Gale's bomb or that Coin didn't do it, I'm just saying that it was never explicitly stated one way or the other. The author intentionally left room for doubt. I think it is more appropriate to honor that room for doubt than to lock in a single interpreation of the evidence provided. Slifty 20:16, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
The case for Snow ordering the bombing is shaky. As he points out, he has no reason whatsoever to bomb the kids which are being used as human shields, which is the same thing as a hostage taker killing the hostage. He knows that the Capitol's cause is served in no way whatsoever if the children are killed by his forces. Additionally, the entire event was caught on live TV. Following this the resistance collapsed and Snow lost all support. As much as we know that Snow is manipulative and cunning, Coin is also shown to be the same. And despite this, Snow was always honest in what what told Katniss and did not hide things from her. The circumstances of having Prim in a frontline medic unit and assigning Peeta to Squad 451 are indicated as actions that could only have come from the highest level. The event is too orchestrated not to have been an accident and worked perfectly, killing Snow's support and allowing the rebellion to end quickly. BrokenSphere (Talk 20:38, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I totally hear you. I also think Coin did it -- just saying nobody credible explicitly said, in the book, that she did it. (For instance here's a great beginning of a consipracy theory: The woman who let Katness talk to snow (Paylor) was ultimately elected president after Coin. What if she had ordered the bombings without Coin's input (she was a military higher up), knew Snow would tell Katness Coin did it, and orchestrated a vie for power). Conspiracies aside, what you described is likely what happened. My point is simply that I'd like to see this kind of debate reflected in this entry. We spend three books learning reasons not to trust Snow and we're going to just take his word for it? ;) Slifty 21:01, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

There is also the fact that snow used the "I promised I would never lie to you" after he told katniss it was coin's idea.

Not right away, it just takes a bit of ruminating and pondering first. ;)
I had not thought of the Paylor angle in this sense, although it was Coin who ordered that Katniss be kept out of the greenhouse. And Plutarch was made sec'y of communications in her regime/administration, adding another possible twist. BrokenSphere (Talk 21:08, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I hate this guy! He is as worse as President Snow. 18:48, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Who's Idea was the new Hunger Games

Should probably add that Katniss asked who had the idea for the hunger games for capitol kids.

This is important because I think she asked this only so that she could find out what she needed to answer to get Coin's trust. Everything in the books leading up to this would indicate that Katniss would never support another hunger games. She only voted yes to either 1) guarantee that she could still kill Snow, 2) get the chance to kill Coin because she believed Snow, or 3) both of the above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Actually, Haymitch is the one who asked whose idea it was (Chapter 26). BrokenSphere (Talk) 21:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think in the book it was katniss who asked whose idea the new games was but then in the movie it ended up being haymitch instead of katniss.

Page title

Should you really put "President" in the title before her name?

Dr Frostbite228 (talk) 07:28, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

She was definitely responsible for a ton of deaths~BlazingRainstar~ 17:18, July 28, 2013 (UTC)