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I have come to the conclusion we don't have "chat mod" for PST the only one we have is Annie she is labeled "active" because she only comes on every two weeks or so. The closest mod we have to PST is Colin which is 2hrs ahead and is labeled "active" Colin I see comes on chat weekly and I don't see a problem with him I just want to see his sometimes he's the only Mod on before he has to sleep or go and than he leaves and there's no Mod on until Kekai comes on. The other closest mod is Kekai which is 2 hours behind PST but he never comes on until it's like 9-10 PM his time leaving no mod gap for 2-4 hrs.  The issue I see is we have to many "EST time zone mods", we have 4, Emma which is active everyday for 6 hours , Liza and Toast how are on at least for 2-4 hours a day.  Finally we have Chandni which is on for like 7-9 everyday, she doesn't choose to stay for that long, the only thing is she doesn't want a troll to come on when there isn't a mod on. Which I think could be easily avoided if we had more "active mods" or a new ones in the PST time zone.

To Jade I know your going take this as "Justin is just doing this for chat mod" , The thing is actually I care about the wiki I want it to grow, I welcome user when it's their 1st time on, I know all the rules, I help prevent vandalism and have rollback for a reason.

I for one think we need a new chat mod for PST, and that's why am nominating myself for Chat Mod. Please support if you agree we need a new mod for this time zone or oppose if you think we have enough mods, and don't need more. Make sure to put reason behind your Supports and Opposes. ~Justin             ●||||   -What is air when I have you       23:28, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Support (7)[]

Support: We do need a new mod, and a PST one. No one can cover the shifts after midnight in EST. I stay up late but not always, and the trolls come during those hours "You can’t save everyone, my friend … though, you try." 23:32, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Support: Justin is liked by the community, he's trustworthy, and he's able to cover this timezone gap.Stop. HAMMERTIME! (talk) 23:34, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

I suppose I support. A mod during this time would be very helpful, especially after last nights incident while I was asleep. So I do suppose that if we are to have a mod in this time, Justin would be that mod. Everyone needs their Rainie <3 23:35, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Agree, you go Justin boii  When mountains crumble to the sea, there will still be you and me 03:49, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

I support this <33333 Justin you go. We need the wiki covered during those times as I have been on when they attacked.LydiaMartin1 (talk) 05:02, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

I support this for having a mod for each timezone <3

Very much agree with you Justin. 05:22, March 4, 2014 (UTC)Glitterday05:22, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Support: Agreed! L<3ve to have a chat mod for my time zone, and if anything, it should be you. *Kyoni~Kara* (talk) 05:00, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose (6)[]

I would be all for this idea, except for the fact of yesterday. Now when a certain somebody was pretty much vandalising our wikia, clearing all the pages, me, Eli, Tara and Claudia were busy trying to undo it all, but you were a rollback, and I don't think I saw you undo one. I may seem a bit harsh, but the idea in the thread is a good idea, others may have totally different opinions than you because they know you better, but thats just my opinion, but good luck thought~!

05:34, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

To Rebekah I would have helped, but I saw all 4 of handling the vandalism caused by Roma IP, and it looked like you didn't need help so I let you guys undo it.             ●||||   -What is air when I have you       05:44, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

uhh, I think this page exists for a reason. And it is currently closed— umm, try asking an admin to open it, maybe?

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

I know its closed why do you think I made a forum. Last time it opened it was because someone made a forum because we needed new mods. The thing is Claudia (we have talk about this muliple times) that we need someone in the PST not another EST Mod and also to Rebakah most Mods don't have rollback, I just stated I had it to show I have prove myself to be trusted with that power and could handle chat mod powers as well.             ●||||   -What is air when I have you       06:02, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

The least you could do is ask for the admins to open it. And I know there's the whole time zone thing, but the seperate-forum thing is like you are trying to put yourself out there before everyone else. Again, the page is there for a reason. There are others who might want to apply despite what you decide as "criteria".

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

Okay. My opinion here is maybe if someone saw the forum about it, it would be checked or seen soon enough and the chat mods would open again. But to be honest, I've only seen you at chat around your PSD time the past two days. For me its simply afterschool, and you aren't online that much. But from what i've seen, apparently there are enough mods are there is.

06:08, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you think am "single my selfout" If, you read what I stated orginally I said "Please support if you agree we need a new mod for this time zone or oppose if you think we have enough mods, and don't need more. Make sure to put reason behind your Supports and Opposes. Everyone who "supported" also stated they wanted me as mod. The "support" meant new mod to cover PST not for me to be mod. And To Rebekah you saw we have "apparently there are enough mods are there is" when right now there are ZERO Mods online and been like that for 1 hour or so.

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       06:13, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but that does not mean that you should imply that you are the majorly eligible person just because of your time zone. Yes, there are no mods on now. But there are other users who are responsible, who are on right now, who are in different time zones. The whole forum part is saying that it makes it harder for others to apply—it would be harder, as they would have nowhere to put their applications (NOT ANOTHER FORUM PLEASE). I think that is why we use the other page, as it is more organized. I would like to see you as a chat moderator but there are others who may want to speak out.

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

Okay, one of the main reason i'm opposing is that I belive we do have enough. Two people were chosen last sime, Toast and Chadni, and I believe they are doign a god job. And can you see we both are putting reasons behind our opposes. Now the people who supported didn't say much about you becoming a mod, they just said "Support". A few were like "Trustworthy" and "Online" ut really, half way through the fight lastnight you were like "I'm going to sleep" and left, while me, Claudia, Eli and Tara were left to try and fight off the troll. Jay came in too, and tried to help. And in the end we ignored him. You came on in the end of it like "What happened...?" and yea.. just.. yea...

06:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

That's is the point of a forum, for people to speak out there opionon on a matter, which you have done if people have something else to say besides the people who are on this specfic time zone needed. (They are all on chat have seen us talking about it on main would have said something by now) and I left because I wasn't there orginally when it 1st happened Claudia had it covered and had backup. She could have made this forum and said we needed a new one (nothing trying to attack her but its true) and I know by a fact Jade wouldn't just wouldn't just open the Chat Noms page because we just got new mods. Thats why I made this Forum in the 1st Place for a new mod thats fairly active on PST and have all time zones covered.             ●||||   -What is air when I have you       06:38, March 4, 2014 (UTC)


If you knew that she wouldn't open the page then why did you make a forum? Asking her would have had the same effect. And anyway, helping wouldn't have hurt in that situation. And discussing it on her talk could have helped if it wasn't a direct nomination.

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

Because I "Know" Jade would say something all these land "Justin is just doing this for chat mod" that's why I needed peoples supports to show that we need a mod for PST zone. If you read my ORGINAL STATEMATE 2/10 of it is a "direct nom" and the rest is prove why we need a PST mod.

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       06:49, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, let me clear something up. What I meant to say was you could have discussed the reasons for needing a new mod in this time range, with Jade or one of the administrators. Thus the forum wasn't quite needed. That would have given them the decision to open the nominations page, where you could have placed the actual nomination :P.

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

The thing is I never see Jade due the time difference, I never on when Wes is on and I have talked to Emma mulitple times about it but she says she will "ask Jade" but its been more than 2 week and I don't think she has asked :* but I know she agrees on the matter.

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       07:00, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

I'm back! Okay. Now. There are many ways to see Jade, you have talk pages, sometimes you may have emails. I know for certain she checks her talk page. And how do you just "know" she agrees. She may not, but we have to see her opinion to find out. And yes we have read the top, so stop putting it all in bold. Really all your doing in quoating your original statement, and not answering or coming up with a come back for our Opposing arguments.

09:19, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

The reason I made it a forum instead of a talk page is so Jade knows am not the only seeing this issue and forum are mostly a community decision to help better the wikia. The reason I "know" is because I have seen screens of her saying it herself. I"m leaving this on Jade talk now so she is able to see this matter.             ●||||   -What is air when I have you      


Okay. So I'm kinda against this. Now before you say "It doesn't matter, you're a Euro, you're asleep when this happens", you've said your opinions, so I'll say mine. This might have been addressed, but Justin. When you saw the other four users cleaning up vandalism, you should always help. You're a rollback. You could clean it all up. Instead of watching as they did it (this is the vibe I got from your response, sorry if it's not accurate), you should of asked to help and stepped in. As Claudia said, she's on a tablet; its hard for her to edit. I do, however, disagree and agree with the mod situation. Although it would be helpful to have mods in every timezone, it isn't needed as much as you make out. A lot of people's timezones overlap. For example, in the morning, I'm on in the Asia-Australian timezone, so I cover it. 

Although I do like the idea you made the issue known, I do believe that there are quite a lot of flaws that do come with your plan. We have a lot of mods as it is - more American ones than Euro ones. We don't need any more American ones imo. 

New SigMe and wifi, better than me and u ~ ♡ Oli ♡

Oppose~

You don't come back from the things you've done... 00:36, March 5, 2014 (UTC)


I agree with Oli and everyone above. I also don't reallyagreewith what you said in the paragraphabove; we have pretty activemodsAndbeingfrom a certain time zone is not the only factor needed. When you were nominatedyouwere opposed for kinda "making people mad on chat sometimes" soooo...And this is an annoying red bc I copied it from the "editing conflict" thing ;-; sorryAnyway, don't hate me bc Ily and I just think we don't need mods atm When tempted to fight fire with fire, know the Fire Department usually uses water ~Toast 01:15, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

It's a community forum post so you have the rights to state your opinion Oli and you say you "cover it" when you are clearly not on so I wouldn't say it "overlaps". I knew I could have helped but I saw them clearly not needing it, and I didn't want to get a undoing/rollbacking error/war and undo one of there edits by mistake that was helping to prevent the vandalism. It's not my fault Claudia was using Her Tablet to edit, I have edited multiple times and have reverted edits on mobile that shouldn't be a excuse against me about not roll backing and just "watching". And I know I "make people mad on chat sometimes" , but I have honestly changed and have been more friendly after the issue was brought up a couple week ago Toast :)

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       04:21, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Well, to be fair the editing war went on for about an hour, so you could of atleast helped. If you told us we could of stopped and you could of just pretty much stopped it with a click of a button and got it over with. Now we know it's not your fault, but it feels like you blaming Claudia. Some people also have slow internet, and sometimes it is quite hard to edit. And yes, but remember you have an excuse that really is a poor one of that. Being that "Oh, i would of clashed with them" or "I saw them clearly not needing it." well the truth is we did need it. 

04:52, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

I was there, am not trying to blame Claudia, but she knows in fact I have rollback at any minute  she could have asked me to help to I was clearly on the wiki as I was on chat and left bierfly and came back during the vandalism hour. I'm also going say I have prevented vandalism before with Kiki as we both had rollback, I was the 1st to notice it and worked togather to rollback. You could have asked me to join any minute as am trying to imply with the sentece before this one.

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       05:05, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Well, considering that there was vandalisms and reverts flooding Recent Wiki Activity, it wasn't hard to tell that we needed help. Like I said, you have the tools to do it so maybe, just maybe, you could try using them in a crisis like that!

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

I could of asked if you did, you could of asked me, nothing we can do about it know on that matter. And i have used it crisis like that as I said in my reply before this one :)

05:24, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Like I said, it was all over wiki activity. I was literally bombarded with "Claudia help us please" when I came on chat. And I didn't even have the rollback tools. Everyone was talking about it on chat. Huh, wonder why? If that's not a sign then I don't know what is.

🌹Sit down, you've got your life to waste.

OK now were going away from the "New Mod" issue on more on my personal "rollbacking" powers. 

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       05:31, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. You have your rollback powers, and if you can't use them right, then why are you going for chat mod?

05:39, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback isn't a requirment for chat mod, many mods dont have it. I just have earned that power and clearly didn't use it last night out of like the other 100 timevandalism has occured which I rollbacked.

            ●||||   -What is air when I have you       05:44, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

If you are actually reading what I said, then you would realise that i'm also backing up what Claudia said above. What you said dosn't quite back up your facts. And there were many times when Trolls were vandalisig, around this time, and you were not online. I also realise I may have gone off topic, but its important you can don't take advantage of what you have, example not undoing an edit during a war. Even one could of helped thought. 

05:50, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

You guys, please do not argue on whether Justin helped against the vandalism that happened or not on this page. For the sole reason that is that Justin made this forum on the topic of a new moderator in the PST timezone. If you're gonna argue on the topic that Justin did not help, do it in chat pm or on a talk page, it does not fit this forum.

(Erlend on an iPad since I am not one with the teknology yet >.<)

Oppose I just wanted to state my opinion even though Jade pretty much closed it up, don't shoot me, but really? PST is like the graveyard shift, hardly any users on at all, mainly all the excitement happens around EST and GBT. So adding another mod in PST timezone, which I'm guessing your in Justin, would be kinda useless... Donna Noble has left the library

Comments[]

This is a comment, not an oppose. And basically all the debating going on above me should carry on down here, in the appropriate section heading. Shall we let Jade talk about her opinions and what she can and can't do herself? Good good. The reason I have denied Justin mod in the past is because he did kind of beg for mod and came across slightly power hungry. This was pointed out to me by a few mods until I finally witnessed it myself. Now the key word in that sentence is "PAST", because it was in the past. As of late Justin hasn't been doing that so I have no problem and I have no idea why it was brought back up. Anyway this forum isn't to debate Justin's suitability for the position, it is to debate the fact that we need a new mod. Nor is it a place to debate what Justin should have done in regards to vandalism. Rollback and mod are completely different roles which have absolutely no relation. You do not need to be a rollback to be a mod, vice versa. But I have always felt our rollbacks need to know they have to keep their place as rollback by actually doing their roles. We have around 60 rollbacks so I don't understand why I see unreverted vandalism which has been there for three days, unchecked.
Anyway moving onto the actual topic. Yes there are a lot of PST mods who are not as active as some of the other mods but that doesn't mean that they aren't active at all. They do come on chat sometimes and they are very aware of the things which go on. But we do need at least one mod who isn't going to go mildly inactive after a few months. On the other hand, I hate it when these sort of forums are made. I am not saying that the reason behind the making of this forum is this but it is just a general comment aimed at nobody in particular. Usually when these "WE NEED NEW MODS AJEUGJFKCHRRRRRGHGHGHGHHGG!" forums are made, it is off the back of a recent "CRISIS" where "NO MODS WERE ON. OMFG HOW HORRIFYING!!!!!!!!". Now instantly because there were no moderators online at the particular moment a troll came on, people think we need new ones even if it was a one time, unlucky event. We do not need at least one mod on chat 24/7 because only 14 out of 24 of those hours have enough users on to warrant a need for chat moderators. If there is only two users on, do we really need a star there to make sure an unlikely fight to break out? And if it does then it is just an unlucky moment. We have to understand that chat mods have lives and they volunteer to be a chat mod and make the wiki a better place. They are not here to wait around and put their lives and needs on hold until another mod comes on chat to take over from them. This is not a relay. The recent incident was a one time thing.
I hope I haven't been too pessimistic here. I do agree we need to look into promoting somebody soon, but I don't think it is urgent that requires my immediate attention. I realise I have not been inactive as of late and that in itself is unfortunate seeming as a lot of stuff has been "going down" and thus you may think that I have no clue what has been going on and can't make a decision on it if I haven't. And, to those people: I have a great administrative (including the mods) team behind me to tell me everything I would need to know (and I am grateful for their help in the progress of the wiki by the way). RainbowShifter 16:41, March 5, 2014 (UTC)



I am adding my opinion in the "comments" as well as I am not really quite sure where the "lines" are for "Support/Oppose". From what Justin writes, it seems as if he just asks people to "support" if they agree that there should be a new chatmoderator, though a lot of people who "support" seem to mean that Justin should have the chatmod rights, where as some of the opposers seems to be against a new mod and others just seems to be against Justin as that new mod, which makes it quite vague what the users want.
Now I am not going to support or oppose the idea of a new mod; my activity just isn't high enough for me to decide on that clearly. Personally, when I was active, I didn't see this particular timezone as being crowded. Most people are either at school or asleep at this time which to me defeats the purpose. A lot of times, people request having a mod because of one problem arrising while no mod was on, but to me, I believe that there should be more than one case of "we didn't have a mod at that time while we needed one" before we get a new mod. Maybe the wiki could begin sorta "montoring" this period of time to see if other things arises and if they really do, then take action. However getting a new mod just because "there was a problem at one point" and "we have no mod for that timezone" seems a bit extreme.
However IF we end up having a new moderator, I think we should open Chat Noms before deciding on a candidate. This gives everyone who might want mod a fair shot, instead of just the person who happened to make the forum. It would be a bit unfair if Jade just went ahead and said: "Well, everyone agrees on this so let's mod him and be done with it," (not that she would do that, this is an example) when there's a bunch of other people who didn't get a shot at getting mod because they didn't make a forum.
Honestly, I think we should ask people not to make "Personal Modding Forums" (we shouldn't punish anyone for making them, naturally, just ask people not to). Forums tackeling things such as whether we need a new mod are great but having personal nomminations in forums doesn't seem that pratical to me, because as I stated above, if we do end up needing a new chatmod, the chat-mod-nom page will be opened thus making the "Modding forum" pointless. 
When I fail at succeeding, at least I know I succeed at failing ~Anna (talk) 04:24, March 10, 2014 (UTC)


100% agree with you Anna - Sam

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