User talk:GianG

Welcome
Greetings, GianG! Welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Training scores page. I hope you enjoy it here and decide to stay.

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Excuse me? I am rollbacking your edits because those images are of way too poor quality, they look like they have been taken by phone on a tv screen (which I suspect they might even be). And you have the moxy to message me about vandalism? A lot of users have had to have edit wars with you, because you in the past have added fanon names to Tributes, and images with horrible quality and is not fit to be in an article. On the contrary, I think it is safe to assume that you should be messages this template.

I´m going to message admin Rainbow Shifter about this issue if it continues.

Hi
Please listen to the warnings which these users are giving you. They are trying to help you so that you stop making some of the mistakes which you are doing on these pages. Also please do not remove messages from your talk page, particularly warnings. 16:28, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Odds
Even if the odds are random, which we do not know because we don't know most of the actual training scores, only what people presume them to be, the fact that the District 8 male was killed by Marvel would not mean he was overestimated. Marvel could simply have been stronger then him.

You list the District 6 male as being stronger but we do not know whether or not he would have been killed by Marvel as quickly as the 8 male was or if he would defeat the District 8 male because they did not fight. This could simply be a matter of fighting opponents with different strength and skill levels and not a saying on how strong a particular tribute was.

And finally, listing people as overestimated and undervalued are subjective and opinions, not concrete information. This wiki is for information we know from the books and movies. The movie gives the District 8 male high odds, saying he is skilled enough to be given such odds. Nowhere do we know that he is not up to that level beyond comparing him to tributes who fought different tributes under different circumstances. LightStone123 (talk) 18:47, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

The District 8 male was a FAVOURITE tribute too, according to the odds. He was actually favoured higher then Marvel. And whether or not he was intelligent has no bearing on whether he was overestimated or not.LightStone123 (talk) 18:51, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but I'm not arguing that he is more intelligent then he is. I'm simply stating that the District 8 male isn't shown to be overestimated. Their odds have nothing to do with their intelligence either, unless that was the thing they were showcasing, which I do not believe was the case for either tribute here. LightStone123 (talk) 19:05, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what his odds should be, it only matters what they actually are, which is 3-1. Also, the Gamemakers do not create the odds. They are decided by who the people in the Capital are betting on and how heavily. In turn, the betting is largely influenced by a tributes training score. Since the District 8 males odds are so high, it stands to reason that he received a high training score, despite his injured leg. LightStone123 (talk) 19:57, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Not to be rude but I really didn't understand what you were trying to say. The random didn't influence the scores? What?

I'll  just respond to what I think you said: I didn't say anything influenced the scores. I said that the scores influenced the ODDS which they do. LightStone123 (talk) 20:45, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Well then, we still have no proof that he was overestimated or that he received a low score. Honestly, I don't know why the training score page lists any scores other then the ones we know for fact. It's mostly just people putting what they feel like each tribute should have received.

Not that I'm blaming you for that. This has been going on for a long while and I don't know if you're even apart of it. It just annoys me, especially since people keep changing them to what they feel is best and then having edit wars over it. LightStone123 (talk) 20:56, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, basing the scores based off what happened in the arena is a terrible idea and doesn't make sense. That would imply the Gamemakers knew how well each tribute would do, which obviously isn't the case because Peeta got an 8. Also, it would omit the fact that the tributes could have shown different skills that might not have had anything to do with how they fared. Example: Rue was not strong but she had the skill of moving between trees and got a 7 for it. Any of the other tributes could have had a skill like that and gotten a higher score then their actual strength level. Also, it would just be an opinion and guesswork, which doesn't adhere to what the wiki is about. LightStone123 (talk) 16:37, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, you've properly made your point. I can concede that the District 8 male was overvalued for being tied for the highest odds. LightStone123 (talk) 16:49, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. It was nice having this conversation, it's been awhile since I've had a prolonged discussion with someone regarding the Hunger Games and I thank you for both taking the time for this and for being so reasonable. LightStone123 (talk) 16:54, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Wrong evidence I would like to point out
You know those images of the corpses at the end of the bloodbath, well I figured out that the first corpse was of the District 8 Male, the second of the District 10 male's extra death, the next one that is wrong is actually the District 5 Male not the District 10 male, while the first corpse is of the D8 male not the D6 Male, if you see the "Hunger games, casting of tributes." Clip, if you can find it. There is a shot of Marvel killing the 8 boy, now when he begins to suffocate you can see he turns his head to the side. Which is where the first corpse had the head turned. While the District 10 Male had blood slashed on his chest rather than a hole dug into his chest. Hope this helped. :)

--HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 21:10, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

District 7 female
Sorry to bother you, but Leigha Hancock confirmed several times on her twitter that her character was speared by Marvel, not stabbed by Cato.

Thanks,

-Biel1458 (talk) 13:29, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

You and 606355
You two seem to be clashing horns a lot over edits and generally edit wars. I don't want to have to block, nor even warn either of you as I know you are trying to help the wiki. I will look over the edits which you disagree and check thoroughly to see the correct revision. In future please try to sort out disagreements civilly on each others talk pages. 15:27, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I and 606355
Excuse me? I have seen your message, and your previous ones, and your edits. I know exactly what you two are debating about and will get to them when I get to them. I do not have just your problems to sort out. In the meantime I am afraid you will have to wait. 17:01, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Place
I don't believe the time and scene order, in fact the times are based on the actual time their death appeared in in the actual bloodbath in the movie. For example 9 seconds when the gong went off in the movie the D8 male's death appeared, then 13 seconds into the actual bloodbath itself again the D5 male's death appeared. Then 29s into it the same with the 3F, then the 9M etc... Unless you were the tributes who's actual deaths weren't caught by the bloodbath camera and weren't actually seen in the film bloodbath showing. Or the tributes' deaths were out of placing. For example 7M 6M and 7F all had their deaths in confused placing. So I don't believe in the actual time/scene order because you see multiple tributes around after they were killed off about lets say 15 seconds ago or something. The 3F would be a good example, because firstly you see her corpse, then her getting slashed by the 5M. 8M would be another example, because you see him getting killed first, but you see him later alive about to get finished off again. Same with the 5M, when he was killed by Cato earlier on, he kills the 3F after, gets strangled and fights other tributes. AND the 7F, because when she is about to be speared by Marvel, she fights the 3M over a backpack. Hope this helped. :)

HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 18:16, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Pictures
In the bloodbah clip, If you pause at 0:48 and 4:11, you can see Marvel presumably walking to the District 9 female and Clove presumably chasing the District 10 female. I was thinking you should upload these scenes into photos and add them to your blog. If these photos are popular enough, the users may add it to the Cornucopia Bloodbath article. I'm still trying to find a way to contact the actors and actresses for more information and evidence. Take Care :)

606355 (talk) 01:16, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

I have some trouble with my computer at times, and I can't upload them to this wiki. Maybe you should ask Biel1458 to put these scenes into photos and upload them to this wiki.

Pictures
Here they are!

Biel1458 (talk) 21:16, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Cato
Cato and Katniss are not the only known volunteers, as there are confirmed to be others. They're the only ones who are officially named in the novel, if that's what you mean. I just don't see the point in putting that in the trivia unless you want to do that for everything (e.g., Beetee and Wiress are the only named tributes from District 3). Not trying to start a fight. I was just removing it, because it wasn't true. -- Honeyfur  19:40, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * They are the only NAMED volunteers. They are not the only KNOWN volunteers. We KNOW there are other volunteers; we just don't know their NAMES. I know it's confusing, but there is definitely a difference. When I first read it, I misinterpreted it, so it's more than likely other people will, too. -- Honeyfur  20:31, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

The Unknown Tributes
Can you please post the it back the way it was, becuase for all we know the District 10 male was just an extra death. It is just a conclusion that he was replacing his district partner. Every tribute to has their own bloodbath. I really hate when people say that she is weak or clumsy. No one knows what really happend to these tributes. I really think you are one of the most smartest and most forgiving people on this wiki, you forgave me, for all the bad things I ever said to you. Thank you :). i hope that you at least try to go my way.

606355 (talk) 19:39, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Place
I believe the District 3 Female died before the District 6 Female, because you can see the D5 male slash the 3F as Glimmer fights the 6F. This is shown in Hunger games: The training.

I also looked at the bloodbath again and have thought the 3F could have died even earlier because if you look closely when Cato picks up a canteen off the floor, Marvel is still stabbing the 8M. Then I'm presuming the 10M extra death followed.

Then with the 7M.... I see another tribute beating another one in the corner of the bts footage when he tries to spear Thresh.

Also I noticed another disturbance. When Cato stabs the 6M I see someone's leg and they are crawling away from the fight. It's not Glimmer cause she was standing up.

It was confirmed Cato killed the 5M also with the help of the 6M.

Also is your name Giolo Sorro?

HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 20:37, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Updated Place
I presume the 3F was half dead when the 5M slashed her legs then. Because Cato was just grabbing a weapon then meaning he had not yet beaten the 4F and cleaved the 10M.

I know Giolo Sorro because I heard about your argument on the bloodbath analization video. I put a comment on there a few months back explaining my order: back then I put:

B9 G3 (I thought it was her lying dead when Cato went to grab a machete in that pic when it was actually the 6M) G10 (She got killed earlier) B8 (He prob didn't die instantly) G6 (She thought Glimmer for quite some time) B7 G9 B4 (He was a little later) B5 B6 G7 G4. Although it is possible that the 4M and the 7Males both didn't die instantly because their injuries were to the neck. And... It takes a while to suffocate.

606355 is Travis Lane
606355 is Travis Lane, becuase a wikia contriutor said on my blog a folishness. I checked the contributions and I discovered he is the same contributor who wrote on you blog two comments about the D10 female, THEREFORE 606355!

Watching his contributions, I saw he edited Travis Lone's user page.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 13:45, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

I'm Not TRAVIS LANE!!!!!
Just because we talk alike and just because we contributed the same time doesn't mean were the same people. I have a online corresponder, that tells me what I write and what people  follow me on this site, When someone mentions a comment on that reader I comment on it.

606355 (talk) 19:30, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Misundetstanding
The only reason why 606355 was editing one second after in my blog's comment section is because he uses an online corresponder. You might not see a lot of flash drives, but this one particularly uses to update data every second. He uses this to follow people's blogs and articles that need to be fixed. You really need to stop listening to 60355 and Lux because there both wrong. I am the one who started the arguments not them. Try making your own desicions for once and stop critisizing him. If you don't like him, thats fine, I'll follow 606355. You know what I think. I think you judge people way too qiuckly and then you write down stuff that is based on what you believe. He has been on this site longer than you, he is more experienced than you. At least try to know what he is doing.

Let me tell a little about my self. My name is Travis James Lane, but my mom calls me Travvy. I was born on February 10th, 1997 to a loving family. I grew up on a farm, so it kind of makes sense why I like District 10 so much. In 2010, was the first time I touched The Hunger Games book. I could not stop reading, it would so wonderful and raw it was just amazing. In 2012, when I saw the movie, I was just so into the Hunger Games I could not stop talking about it to my freind lexi about it. When there was wiki, I just heard about a week ago, I started to go on it. This is probably one of the most successful sites I have ever seen. Considering the fact when I saw you and your blog I started following you around. When I really wanted to answer something wrong that you did on your blog about the District 10 male, I made an account and I commented on your blog. See GianG, I see as a really smart person on this wiki, but now I just see you as any normal human being out there: selfish and conceited. I may be new here, but I know what I'm talking about. 606355 is a smart user and never has been accused of vandalism. What I'm trying to say is that life sucks and you have to deal with it everyday, so if your actually going to listen to that little feeble minded little friend of yours so be it. I have to work my butt off to get people to at least try to go my way. Have a great day GianG, and I'm happy to see that you have grown up little :)

Travis Lane (talk) 20:33, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Don't listen to him
Don't listen to him, it is useless. I know very well you are intelligent and you know many things and don't worry that he consider you egoist (he is the only who judges very quickly). I'll follow you, especially because you are agree with me about the District 10 female. :)

Lux in noctibus (talk) 14:24, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, now I think the District 8 female is weaker than the District 9 female, because she is 13 and she is easily battled by Glimmer.... and I don't think the District 9 male is weak or strong, but an average fighter.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 14:38, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Katniss Children
You clearly state in this edit

http://thehungergames.wikia.com/index.php?title=Willow_Mellark&diff=810703&oldid=810691

That Williow is her real name, Suzanna Collins has confirmed it.

&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:TheFireJay/sig5lightsaber&#125;&#125; (talk) 18:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Replies
I don't have the link, but we have had the information for long period of time, and say we should keep it, I was here when the page was re-named along with the boy's name and say we should keep it like it was before :)

&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:TheFireJay/sig5lightsaber&#125;&#125; (talk) 18:51, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Katniss' children
Do you really think admins would let these pages (Willow Mellark, Rye Mellark) be called what they are called if it was false?

Yoonie (talk) 19:02, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Please
Please, participate at my Fallen Games, commenting in the blog post... :)

Lux in noctibus (talk) 17:26, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I've spoken to User:Travis_Lane who says he's had some trouble with you. I've looked into it, and you're not in any trouble, but I'd like to ask you to just ignore him in future, and he should ignore you. If there are any problems, please report them back to me. Also, please can you stop making unnecessary edits... you seem to be editing things twice in a row to gain more edits, or just changing random numbers...

❤ I have more tabs open    than I have friends ❤   18:05, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Help
well by avatar image do you mean a lunaii?

Well, it can be created here, is just click on dollmaker and start your avatar.

Also, about the fallen images, i believe i`m the only one who can maek them, because a lot of people asked me how can i do that and i done by making them myself and giving it to them, but if you want to try, it is made on the brazilian powerpoint 2014.

Apology
I am sorry Whatever I said you didn't like, I was just trying to explain to you that not all of the tributes from the last districts are weak, I'm not the one you should be complaining about it's, 606355, he insulted you, not me. So please don't bring me into this fight, if you want to fight with 606355, fine,  just leave me out of it. If you think that the District 10 tributes are weak, I am totally fine with it, It is your opinion and I respect it. I'm not denying that I don't like District 10, but if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all please.

Travis Lane (talk) 21:33, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Double-user
It is not against the rules for the same person to have multiple accounts provided they are not banned on their main account. Even if one of them was banned then I wouldn't be able to do anything due to the lack of evidence that they are the same people. 15:36, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Understood
Know I believe that the odds are random, but I think there still useful to the missing tributes, if the capitol really favored them. Lets just burry that hatchet about the missing tributes, you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe :).

P.S. The only reason why I let the District 10 female live in the bloodbath, because I wanted to keep it balance and let the poor districts have a chance, also your right ! I should have killed off the District 7 male, instead of the female, I will edit my blog right away.

Travis Lane (talk) 19:04, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

But thats the thing, I think it's unfair to give the tributes' strength based on which district they come from, I feel like its being too stereotypical. District 10, being one of the last districts, is depicted for being poor and most of the children could be malnourished, but you have to remember that some of the kids are not like that in District 10. I know Suzanne Collins said that the last districts always die in the bloodbath, but that could be mean their strong enough to be one of the last tributes to die in the bloodbath. It is only an assumption that the District 10 female placed 23rd and that District 9 female placed 18th, meaning we still have to find more evidence about them.

Travis Lane (talk) 02:00, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but that is just a probability that the District 10 female is weak,   if she considerly didn't appear at any of the scenes, then I think she is weak/average. I also wouldn't trust the scoreboard behind Caesar and Claudius because the times and death orders are kind of wrong: How is it possible if the District 7 female survived 2 minutes and 30 seconds, while the District 6 male's time's 1 minute ? And he died after her. How is it possible that the District 5 male survived 5 seconds when he killed the District 3 female ?, while her time is 29 seconds. How it possible if the District 7 male survived 37 seconds, and after he was supposedly to ran (as District 9 male) to kill Katniss, and his time is 0 seconds, and he was suppose to die after his main character ? How is it possible that the District 4 female survived 17 minutes into the bloodbath, when Cato threw her over a crate at the start of the bloodbath and ran to grab backpack ? Even if she was running in the forest, she would have escaped the bloodbath in time. If this time is true, then what the heck was she wasting her time for in the forest ? The whole bloodbath should have been at least 13 minutes.

Now I am not 100%, but of you look in the film, slightly behind Claudius, you can see a graph, 2 inches behind him I think it closely says 10FE- 5 min. I don't know for sure, but I think I read it correctly.

D10/9 Male
Honestly, I think Peeta kills the District 9 male, because where would he have died if it was the opposite?

As for the District 10 male I think he should have died on Day 2 but they made a production error in not using a cannon or showing his face. This can be backed up by the fact that Chaff didn't have a cannon either. Or he just escaped. I don't know.

I don't think he died at the bloodbath because from what I remember they went right from the District 9 female to the District 10 females face. LightStone123 (talk) 19:39, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that is the District 10 males actor. And I agree that number two is the best option because, to me, it seems the most logical. Though would it have been that difficult for them to just add his portrait in somewhere? Unless they planned on him escaping lol. LightStone123 (talk) 19:58, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

75th Games Bloodbath
Yes, I believe we should delete the unverified information. I have actually tried to do that before but it just kept cropping back up. LightStone123 (talk) 18:14, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I would assume so. You can certainly try. It couldn't hurt. LightStone123 (talk) 18:55, June 19, 2014 (UTC)