User talk:GianG

Welcome
Greetings, GianG! Welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Training scores page. I hope you enjoy it here and decide to stay.

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Odds
Even if the odds are random, which we do not know because we don't know most of the actual training scores, only what people presume them to be, the fact that the District 8 male was killed by Marvel would not mean he was overestimated. Marvel could simply have been stronger then him.

You list the District 6 male as being stronger but we do not know whether or not he would have been killed by Marvel as quickly as the 8 male was or if he would defeat the District 8 male because they did not fight. This could simply be a matter of fighting opponents with different strength and skill levels and not a saying on how strong a particular tribute was.

And finally, listing people as overestimated and undervalued are subjective and opinions, not concrete information. This wiki is for information we know from the books and movies. The movie gives the District 8 male high odds, saying he is skilled enough to be given such odds. Nowhere do we know that he is not up to that level beyond comparing him to tributes who fought different tributes under different circumstances. LightStone123 (talk) 18:47, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

The District 8 male was a FAVOURITE tribute too, according to the odds. He was actually favoured higher then Marvel. And whether or not he was intelligent has no bearing on whether he was overestimated or not.LightStone123 (talk) 18:51, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but I'm not arguing that he is more intelligent then he is. I'm simply stating that the District 8 male isn't shown to be overestimated. Their odds have nothing to do with their intelligence either, unless that was the thing they were showcasing, which I do not believe was the case for either tribute here. LightStone123 (talk) 19:05, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what his odds should be, it only matters what they actually are, which is 3-1. Also, the Gamemakers do not create the odds. They are decided by who the people in the Capital are betting on and how heavily. In turn, the betting is largely influenced by a tributes training score. Since the District 8 males odds are so high, it stands to reason that he received a high training score, despite his injured leg. LightStone123 (talk) 19:57, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Not to be rude but I really didn't understand what you were trying to say. The random didn't influence the scores? What?

I'll  just respond to what I think you said: I didn't say anything influenced the scores. I said that the scores influenced the ODDS which they do. LightStone123 (talk) 20:45, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Well then, we still have no proof that he was overestimated or that he received a low score. Honestly, I don't know why the training score page lists any scores other then the ones we know for fact. It's mostly just people putting what they feel like each tribute should have received.

Not that I'm blaming you for that. This has been going on for a long while and I don't know if you're even apart of it. It just annoys me, especially since people keep changing them to what they feel is best and then having edit wars over it. LightStone123 (talk) 20:56, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, basing the scores based off what happened in the arena is a terrible idea and doesn't make sense. That would imply the Gamemakers knew how well each tribute would do, which obviously isn't the case because Peeta got an 8. Also, it would omit the fact that the tributes could have shown different skills that might not have had anything to do with how they fared. Example: Rue was not strong but she had the skill of moving between trees and got a 7 for it. Any of the other tributes could have had a skill like that and gotten a higher score then their actual strength level. Also, it would just be an opinion and guesswork, which doesn't adhere to what the wiki is about. LightStone123 (talk) 16:37, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, you've properly made your point. I can concede that the District 8 male was overvalued for being tied for the highest odds. LightStone123 (talk) 16:49, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. It was nice having this conversation, it's been awhile since I've had a prolonged discussion with someone regarding the Hunger Games and I thank you for both taking the time for this and for being so reasonable. LightStone123 (talk) 16:54, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Wrong evidence I would like to point out
You know those images of the corpses at the end of the bloodbath, well I figured out that the first corpse was of the District 8 Male, the second of the District 10 male's extra death, the next one that is wrong is actually the District 5 Male not the District 10 male, while the first corpse is of the D8 male not the D6 Male, if you see the "Hunger games, casting of tributes." Clip, if you can find it. There is a shot of Marvel killing the 8 boy, now when he begins to suffocate you can see he turns his head to the side. Which is where the first corpse had the head turned. While the District 10 Male had blood slashed on his chest rather than a hole dug into his chest. Hope this helped. :)

--HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 21:10, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

District 7 female
Sorry to bother you, but Leigha Hancock confirmed several times on her twitter that her character was speared by Marvel, not stabbed by Cato.

Thanks,

-Biel1458 (talk) 13:29, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Place
I don't believe the time and scene order, in fact the times are based on the actual time their death appeared in in the actual bloodbath in the movie. For example 9 seconds when the gong went off in the movie the D8 male's death appeared, then 13 seconds into the actual bloodbath itself again the D5 male's death appeared. Then 29s into it the same with the 3F, then the 9M etc... Unless you were the tributes who's actual deaths weren't caught by the bloodbath camera and weren't actually seen in the film bloodbath showing. Or the tributes' deaths were out of placing. For example 7M 6M and 7F all had their deaths in confused placing. So I don't believe in the actual time/scene order because you see multiple tributes around after they were killed off about lets say 15 seconds ago or something. The 3F would be a good example, because firstly you see her corpse, then her getting slashed by the 5M. 8M would be another example, because you see him getting killed first, but you see him later alive about to get finished off again. Same with the 5M, when he was killed by Cato earlier on, he kills the 3F after, gets strangled and fights other tributes. AND the 7F, because when she is about to be speared by Marvel, she fights the 3M over a backpack. Hope this helped. :)

HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 18:16, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Pictures
Here they are!

Biel1458 (talk) 21:16, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Cato
Cato and Katniss are not the only known volunteers, as there are confirmed to be others. They're the only ones who are officially named in the novel, if that's what you mean. I just don't see the point in putting that in the trivia unless you want to do that for everything (e.g., Beetee and Wiress are the only named tributes from District 3). Not trying to start a fight. I was just removing it, because it wasn't true. -- Honeyfur  19:40, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * They are the only NAMED volunteers. They are not the only KNOWN volunteers. We KNOW there are other volunteers; we just don't know their NAMES. I know it's confusing, but there is definitely a difference. When I first read it, I misinterpreted it, so it's more than likely other people will, too. -- Honeyfur  20:31, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Place
I believe the District 3 Female died before the District 6 Female, because you can see the D5 male slash the 3F as Glimmer fights the 6F. This is shown in Hunger games: The training.

I also looked at the bloodbath again and have thought the 3F could have died even earlier because if you look closely when Cato picks up a canteen off the floor, Marvel is still stabbing the 8M. Then I'm presuming the 10M extra death followed.

Then with the 7M.... I see another tribute beating another one in the corner of the bts footage when he tries to spear Thresh.

Also I noticed another disturbance. When Cato stabs the 6M I see someone's leg and they are crawling away from the fight. It's not Glimmer cause she was standing up.

It was confirmed Cato killed the 5M also with the help of the 6M.

Also is your name Giolo Sorro?

HaraiGoshi345 (talk) 20:37, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Updated Place
I presume the 3F was half dead when the 5M slashed her legs then. Because Cato was just grabbing a weapon then meaning he had not yet beaten the 4F and cleaved the 10M.

I know Giolo Sorro because I heard about your argument on the bloodbath analization video. I put a comment on there a few months back explaining my order: back then I put:

B9 G3 (I thought it was her lying dead when Cato went to grab a machete in that pic when it was actually the 6M) G10 (She got killed earlier) B8 (He prob didn't die instantly) G6 (She thought Glimmer for quite some time) B7 G9 B4 (He was a little later) B5 B6 G7 G4. Although it is possible that the 4M and the 7Males both didn't die instantly because their injuries were to the neck. And... It takes a while to suffocate.

Don't listen to him
Don't listen to him, it is useless. I know very well you are intelligent and you know many things and don't worry that he consider you egoist (he is the only who judges very quickly). I'll follow you, especially because you are agree with me about the District 10 female. :)

Lux in noctibus (talk) 14:24, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, now I think the District 8 female is weaker than the District 9 female, because she is 13 and she is easily battled by Glimmer.... and I don't think the District 9 male is weak or strong, but an average fighter.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 14:38, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Katniss Children
You clearly state in this edit

http://thehungergames.wikia.com/index.php?title=Willow_Mellark&diff=810703&oldid=810691

That Williow is her real name, Suzanna Collins has confirmed it.

&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:TheFireJay/sig5lightsaber&#125;&#125; (talk) 18:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Replies
I don't have the link, but we have had the information for long period of time, and say we should keep it, I was here when the page was re-named along with the boy's name and say we should keep it like it was before :)

&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:TheFireJay/sig5lightsaber&#125;&#125; (talk) 18:51, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Katniss' children
Do you really think admins would let these pages (Willow Mellark, Rye Mellark) be called what they are called if it was false?

Yoonie (talk) 19:02, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Please
Please, participate at my Fallen Games, commenting in the blog post... :)

Lux in noctibus (talk) 17:26, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I've spoken to User:Travis_Lane who says he's had some trouble with you. I've looked into it, and you're not in any trouble, but I'd like to ask you to just ignore him in future, and he should ignore you. If there are any problems, please report them back to me. Also, please can you stop making unnecessary edits... you seem to be editing things twice in a row to gain more edits, or just changing random numbers...

❤ I have more tabs open    than I have friends ❤   18:05, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Help
well by avatar image do you mean a lunaii?

Well, it can be created here, is just click on dollmaker and start your avatar.

Also, about the fallen images, i believe i`m the only one who can maek them, because a lot of people asked me how can i do that and i done by making them myself and giving it to them, but if you want to try, it is made on the brazilian powerpoint 2014.

Apology
I am sorry Whatever I said you didn't like, I was just trying to explain to you that not all of the tributes from the last districts are weak, I'm not the one you should be complaining about it's, 606355, he insulted you, not me. So please don't bring me into this fight, if you want to fight with 606355, fine,  just leave me out of it. If you think that the District 10 tributes are weak, I am totally fine with it, It is your opinion and I respect it. I'm not denying that I don't like District 10, but if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all please.

Travis Lane (talk) 21:33, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Double-user
It is not against the rules for the same person to have multiple accounts provided they are not banned on their main account. Even if one of them was banned then I wouldn't be able to do anything due to the lack of evidence that they are the same people. 15:36, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Understood
Know I believe that the odds are random, but I think there still useful to the missing tributes, if the capitol really favored them. Lets just burry that hatchet about the missing tributes, you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe :).

P.S. The only reason why I let the District 10 female live in the bloodbath, because I wanted to keep it balance and let the poor districts have a chance, also your right ! I should have killed off the District 7 male, instead of the female, I will edit my blog right away.

Travis Lane (talk) 19:04, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

But thats the thing, I think it's unfair to give the tributes' strength based on which district they come from, I feel like its being too stereotypical. District 10, being one of the last districts, is depicted for being poor and most of the children could be malnourished, but you have to remember that some of the kids are not like that in District 10. I know Suzanne Collins said that the last districts always die in the bloodbath, but that could be mean their strong enough to be one of the last tributes to die in the bloodbath. It is only an assumption that the District 10 female placed 23rd and that District 9 female placed 18th, meaning we still have to find more evidence about them.

Travis Lane (talk) 02:00, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but that is just a probability that the District 10 female is weak,   if she considerly didn't appear at any of the scenes, then I think she is weak/average. I also wouldn't trust the scoreboard behind Caesar and Claudius because the times and death orders are kind of wrong: How is it possible if the District 7 female survived 2 minutes and 30 seconds, while the District 6 male's time's 1 minute ? And he died after her. How is it possible that the District 5 male survived 5 seconds when he killed the District 3 female ?, while her time is 29 seconds. How it possible if the District 7 male survived 37 seconds, and after he was supposedly to ran (as District 9 male) to kill Katniss, and his time is 0 seconds, and he was suppose to die after his main character ? How is it possible that the District 4 female survived 17 minutes into the bloodbath, when Cato threw her over a crate at the start of the bloodbath and ran to grab backpack ? Even if she was running in the forest, she would have escaped the bloodbath in time. If this time is true, then what the heck was she wasting her time for in the forest ? The whole bloodbath should have been at least 13 minutes.

Now I am not 100%, but of you look in the film, slightly behind Claudius, you can see a graph, 2 inches behind him I think it closely says 10FE- 5 min. I don't know for sure, but I think I read it correctly.

Okay, that was the District 8 male's time not the District 5 male's time is 13 seconds, but how did he survive for 13 seconds ?, while the District 3 female is 29 seconds......thats odd. And someone put on the District 6 male's trivia that he survived 1 minute and 40 seconds. And some goofball wrote that the District 9 male's time is 0.

Look a little to Claudius's side, and if she did survive for at least 2-5 minutes, then she probably shared the 20th/19th place.

Travis Lane (talk) 12:07, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

D10/9 Male
Honestly, I think Peeta kills the District 9 male, because where would he have died if it was the opposite?

As for the District 10 male I think he should have died on Day 2 but they made a production error in not using a cannon or showing his face. This can be backed up by the fact that Chaff didn't have a cannon either. Or he just escaped. I don't know.

I don't think he died at the bloodbath because from what I remember they went right from the District 9 female to the District 10 females face. LightStone123 (talk) 19:39, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that is the District 10 males actor. And I agree that number two is the best option because, to me, it seems the most logical. Though would it have been that difficult for them to just add his portrait in somewhere? Unless they planned on him escaping lol. LightStone123 (talk) 19:58, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

75th Games Bloodbath
Yes, I believe we should delete the unverified information. I have actually tried to do that before but it just kept cropping back up. LightStone123 (talk) 18:14, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I would assume so. You can certainly try. It couldn't hurt. LightStone123 (talk) 18:55, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Reservations
Hi, I just came to tell you that your reservations in my game, the School Games have 1 day left. Please try to get your reservations in as soon as you can. :3 Thanks.

Pippycat (talk) 17:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

More Images
Hey Gian, i found an excellent site! Here you go: Page 46, note that, the link will go to the 46th page, that is about 1/2 of the bloodbath : ) There i found lots of images, i`ll show you some of them:

Reply Addressing Fact Errors
Hi GianG. You left a message for me on my page. Thank you for reading my blog and welcoming me to the Wiki!

I agree with everything you listed as problems about the Wiki. I am glad someone else noticed. If you report these issues to the admin, you have my backing.

Also, I wanted to add we also know from the books Chaff won the 45th Hunger Games.

Agreed
Well, you know what? I think i agree with you. but there is only 1 thing i`m still not sure, it`s about the District 3 female, you said that you can see Glimmer fighting the District 6 female while the d3 females corpse is on the ground, but i think she was bleeding to death, not dead, but about the other tributes i believe in you.

- Biel1458 (talk) 13:20, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: School Grades
I'm not exactly sure why the grades in Italy are different than in the U.S., sorry. But I do know, that at least where I go to school, an F is 50% or lower, and that an A is 90%-100%. Here:

As far as U.S. grades go:

A: 90%-100% (10-11 pts)

B: 80%-89% (7-9 pts)

C: 70%-79% (4-6 pts)

D: 60%-69% (1-3 pts)

F: 59% or lower(0 pts)

I also looked it up a bit, and found something called the Eleven-Point System which sounds similar to what you were telling me about. Hope I helped you. :)

Pippycat (talk) 19:02, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure how much of a help I am with this. XD

I can tell you, though, that how it works in America (at least the U.S.), is that very good students get A's and B's. C's are sometimes considered average, too. D's are considered as sort of failing the class, but an F is a complete fail.

And as far as the different between E's and F's, I have never gone to or heard of a school that uses an E letter grade. Based on what I know from looking some things up previously, I think that at least in the U.S. they can probably be used to represent the same thing (failing a class).

Pippycat (talk) 12:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

RE: District 10 tributes
Thanks for leaving me the message, but really I was just rolling back the edits due to the tributes' names, since they were named after their actors it's okay, but I thought it may cause some confusion about the tributes' names in the books.

❤ I have more tabs open    than I have friends ❤   19:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Podiums
Hey Gian, sorry for my answer taking so many time, but well, i hate to say this, but when i zoomed the images, the definition got blurry and i wasn`t able to read anything : (

But, changing the subject, about the School Games: You entered Henry and Annie, and i was checking their descriptions and made these lunaiis for them:

Did you like them? Just temm me : )

Re: the odds
We aren't really sure if the odds are indeed random, but her capabilities and where she placed has nothing to do with her death.

Travis Lane (talk) 18:52, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Why ? Just because she was killed by Glimmer ?

Re : District 10 female's training
The only reason why I erased it, because were specifically talking about her, we don't know her excellences or her strength, it is only presumsed that she is weak/average. Lets just write "Her odds of winning were 10-1".

Please, we don't know anything about her, if there is proof that she is weak, then we should your statement, kay :).

Where did Katniss stated that she had a training score of 5 ?

Yes I did read that part from the book, but I think her training score was at least a 6.

She was not too strong and not too weak, just weak/average.

P.S. Is your name Giolo Sorro ?

................Arguement ?

LOL, Your friend on youtube wrote a comment on the Hunger Games death order video, but I also saw the arguement on the analizaition video, he was angry as hell, I'm really sorry if your in a awkward position right now XD. But I scrolled a couple comments back, both Giolo and Faizan apologized and burried the hatchet :)

P.S. If you don't think Dakota Hood is that cute, try looking her in Google images in a couple pictures, and then look back at the District 10 female, and you maybe might say "Hey ! She's kinda cute" XD, thats what I did.

Just give it a try :)



Travis Lane (talk) 19:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Pages
Well, the District 4 female survived for 3 hours, but I think we shouldn't write the D10 female's score was around 5, because 5 is too many for her.

PS: Read my last blog.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 07:44, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'll support you against 606355 (why don't you try to talk with him?). I never noticed that the District 4 female's time was wrong, you are very awake! Thank you for your welcom back and don't worry, the next time, I'll inform you.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 07:57, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: 606355
I was the one who deleted your report, not him. Please stop this and LET IT GO. Only little children take this seriously, all he said that he didn't want to talk to you. If you wanted to tell him something, tell me, so I can speak to him. He is ignoring you, you should ignore him. If he is a real problem, then you report it to the adminstrators. I just spoke with him, and he told me that he will keep it 3 hours, 3 minutes and 23 seconds, until we have some evidence to prove you wrong.

Your not really reporting him on a problem, you basically ridiculing him in front of 66mc. Your saying stuff like "basing stuff on his imagination", that he "praises" the District 10 female or that he is unintelligent. Your being rude, not him

Travis Lane (talk) 17:22, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

We just found out, that 3 hours is not the time, because if you look closely at the picture on the time, it says Game clock and current time. That is not the District 4 female's time,  it is a timer for the Games.

606355 and me don't really care if you report us to the admins, because we aren't doing anything wrong. That also tells us that you have to report something to an administrator for help, and your not mature enough to handle things on your own. It is impossible for the District 4 female to survive for 3 hours, because her screams are heard while Katniss was running in the forest, when she Just started running away from the bloodbath, that meaning, Katniss was running for 3 whole hours ? All I want to know if she survived for 3 hours or 17 minutes and 23 seconds from the Administrators, not you.

GianG said  "it is the corrent  correct time, but every picture appears "in real time", so when the tribute dies and her picture appears 3 hours after the start of the games, like shown. Then, it does make sence sense that she survived for 3 hours, because the Careers didn't reach the forest a few minutes after the bloodbath, but some hours after it. Anyhow, il  it is pretty impossibile her picture appears 3 hours after her death. At least some seconds of delay, but not 3 hours."

"But every pictures reveals in real time" ? .....What ? Every Tribute's time appears like this TOO:00:00:00, what do you mean by real time ? There is no real time.

"Her picture appears 3 hours after her death" What ? No offense, but I cannot undersatnd what your trying to say. Her picture never appears 3 hours after her death, it was shown with all with the other fallen and you can clearly see that she survived for 17 minutes and 23 seconds, and you can see on the timer it says Game Clock and Current time, and the you can even see the time ticking, if you rewatch the film. It's a timer not the District 4 female's time.

And about District 10, on the trivia, it was already stated that it was a fairly poor district, you changed it. I never wrote it in my opinion and I was changing it back the way it was, you changed it and please don't deny it. Suzanne Collins rarely spoke about District 9 or 10, so your making things up saying that District 9 is a lot more wealthy than District 10. It also makes sense why President Snow said the last three districts are the poorest, because he was using proper english. If the character wanted to be specific, Suzanne Collins would have described the level of poorness to each district, but she barely talked about District 10. Suzanne Collins specifically talked about Districts 11 and 12 of their Geography and social structures. she never talked about District 10's economy, social structure, just it's grazing fields of farmland.

Go ahead lash out at me, call me an idiot or that I'm confused, but I have clearly read the book, and District 10 never mentions its level of poorness.

What ? A tribute's picture that appears on the scoreboard, does not signify their death, her picture just simply popped up on the scoreboard and it stated that she survived for 17 minutes and 23 seconds.

I don't care anymore, you can report me to the admins, I know I didn't do anything wrong.

Travis Lane (talk) 19:07, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, she survived for 17 minutes and 23 seconds.

606355 (talk) 19:44, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think she survived for 3 hours.

Don't worry
Don't worry, Travis Lane is headstrong, like a kid in his 5's. Look at Enobaria's talk page.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 19:50, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

AWW, did he just say I'm headstrong, your so kind LOL ;D

Travis Lane (talk) 21:04, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Both are 5 years old kids and I still think they are the same boy.

Lux in noctibus (talk) 10:43, July 4, 2014 (UTC)