Talk:Panem

Merger and Overhaul
I've merged the Panem and Districts articles, added a History of Panem section, and otherwise completely overhauled the page, rewriting some paragraphs, deleting others, and consolidating information between the two articles, with more changes to come. Please discuss any issues here.

Yamamoto114 09:52, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Most of my changes are done here. The page now contains a lot more information than it used to, and as the topic of Panem itself is very broad, I think I'll use this as a springboard for many more edits that I'll be making in order to flesh out the Hunger Games universe more vividly. Most of my edits will be concerning locations, as well as standardizing pages so they're more organized and less redundant between each other.

Once again, any further issues should be discussed here.

Yamamoto114 07:26, August 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * You should remove the link then. It creates a redirect loop. -Asterick6

District Seals
Where are the district seals from? Is that some sort of official merchandise? This is important because some of the district descriptions are extrapolated from information presented on the seals.

--PK9 00:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

The seals come from the game Training days as seen on my profile picture. I would recommend getting the game if you are intrested in the books. Gunman12 23:17, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Map
Most of the district signature products on them map are wrong.

There's a BIG difference between what the book says or implies that the signatures are and what Lionsgate is using for movie promo. In terms of Lionsgate's, half of them are the same thing as each other and/or don't even make sense! Could there be two Panem pages or a separation on the page between "book world" and "movie world," since they don't agree?

The map
The "main" map used, is highly illogical. From what I see, the "nation" is seperated, and not connected by any political boundries, which whould in-turn state that panem is an "Enclave" of north america, which it can't be, for a railway system wouldn't be safe is the open areas between districts (i.e. aboriginals, raiders etc.). I propose a new, fan-map as the main, because the current, is very laughable.

been working on a map myself, which uses the official information (not the one where district 5 is "livestock," which i assume is from before it was revealed 10 is livestock). tried to match this up with the America "as-is," with historical info like luxury->gold to place San Francisco in District 1, etc. hopefully it makes more sense.Solarpowerspork 04:20, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

In the books, dose it not say that people are stuck in their districts by fences, and beyond the fences is forest or some sort of wilderness? Also, there is a long distance between most of the districts that require the trains to take a rest break. It may be better to think of the "districts" more like cities, large cities almost like prisons which pack a large number of people into small living corners, the streets and roads are probably barely wide enough to let the cars pass, except in the capital were they don't have to deal with over crowding. The district number probably has something to do with how far away from the capital it is, and (SPOILER ALERT) in the third book it mentions that it is nearly September in District 13 which puts Peeta in snow, which places the capital northish as well as high.

However, there is no map that seems to fit just right. There is no "offical" map. It is best for each reader to decide for himself/herself what the map looks like.76.243.186.254 13:17, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

The map that is most commonly used by media outlets is this one: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/thumb/d/d8/Panemmap.png/212px-Panemmap.png Which has a detailed scientific basis for its design available on Livejournal or by contacting the creators. I don't know why the Panem page is locked, but I highly suggest switching to this more common and more correct map.

It's important to note that the map shown in the talk section is impossible according to the books. In the books it's clearly stated large portions of North America were overtaken by water, including everything west of the Rocky Mountains, which is why the Capitol is in what was formerly the city of Denver, Colorado, and is impenetrable only from the east. This is IN the book. Liz

May I ask do the books state that every landmass in the planet has submerged other than the portion of North America where Panem is? --PunkMaister 19:53, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is the text from The Hunger Games, Chapter 1:

"He tells of the history of Panem, the country that rose up out of the ashes of a place that was once called North America. He lists the disasters, the droughts, the storms, the fires, the encroaching seas that swallowed up so much of the land, the brutal war for what little sustenance remained. The result was Panem, a shining Capitol ringed by thirteen districts, which brought peace and prosperity to its citizens."


 * In Mockingjay Peeta is in front of a map during one of the interviews, but it only shows incidents attributed to the rebellion. (Chapter 9)
 * Broken Sphere (Talk 20:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

That description from the book is very vague it just says "the seas swallowed up so much of the land" not that the portion of North America where Panem is it's the only existing landmass in the planet. The problem is even if one was to melt completely the icecaps which would be the only way for the oceans to rise they would not end up swallowing everything but the small portion of North America where Panem is located. --PunkMaister 20:39, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is very vague. The point is that no other landmasses around the world are mentioned and for the purposes of discussing THG here, we cannot refer to the existence of other countries except to point out the absence of such a mention. For all we know Panem is the only country left on Earth even though it could very well be that this is not the case. However until Collins says otherwise or the movies come up with something, this is what we have to work with. Broken Sphere  (Talk 20:51, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I never mentioned other nations I only mentioned landmasses Panem may indeed be the only and most advanced country left in the world but that does not imply that the rest of the whole planet is submerged. The rest of humanity may have reverted to a tribal existence for all we know. But it's wrong to picture that the whole planet is under the waves based on that. again that's like drawing a map of Ancient Rome showing the rest of the world underwater.

For one thing if that were the case the climate would be really harsh with megastorms coming from the immense oceans often and Panem would resemble Australia's desert climate for the most part.

i only wish that those that draw those maps would take this factors into account.



here's a rough look of how Earth with Panem as the only landmass left on the whole planet would look like

--PunkMaister 21:51, April 10, 2012 (UTC) Look at the darker grey shadow in the background. That is the real map of Panem. (Jane)

We don't know District 9's industry...
I think the book mentioned it had a lot of factories, during the 74th Victory tour. Worthy of adding? TyphoonOfSteel60 03:00, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it having a lot of factories seems noteworthy. -TagAlongPam  ( talk ) 04:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't it grain? Harperjackson9 (talk) 11:53, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Grain is D9's industry, we have known that for quite some time now, as it was confirmed via one of the official Capitol websites. Mysims (talk) 14:21, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers, just checking Harperjackson9 (talk) 14:46, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Industries
The Hunger Games movie has a website, www.thecapitol.pn, that says the official district industries

District 1- Luxury

District 2- Masonry

District 3- Electronics

District 4- Fishing

District 5- Power

District 6- Transportation

District 7- Lumber

District 8- Textiles

District 9- Grain

District 10- Livestock

District 11- Agriculture

District 12- Mining

Now we know what 5, 7, and 9's industry really is Bklmc5 20:33, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

There's a BIG difference between what the book says or implies that the signatures are and what Lionsgate is using for movie promo. In terms of Lionsgate's, half of them are the same thing as each other and/or don't even make sense! Could there be two Panem pages or a separation on the page between "book world" and "movie world," since they don't agree? It doesn't even make sense to separate "grain" from "agriculture," for example, when D9 is said to have "lots of factories" and D11 to have "spreading grain fields" IN THE BOOKS. And having a separate movie!canon and book!canon is common -- look at Harry Potter or Percy Jackson! ;)

While I agree with the above post about separate book and movie canon, these industries do make sense and, being in collaboration with Suzanne Collins, can be considered appropriate. For example; District 11 needs large fields to produce and harvest the grain while District 9 has large factories to process it. While District 9 probably processes all the food produced from the 11, 10 and 4, it is referred to as 'Grain' because thats the main ingredient in bread (the symbol for food in Panem). 124.183.149.66 07:29, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Alex

The seals for the districts and their industries have been updated officially. A website (www.thecapitol.pn ) has these seals and on http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/10/14/hunger-games-capitol-district-seal/ all of them can be seen. These are official and have been released by Lionsgate. Edits should be made to keep the wiki as updated as possible.

Redwoodwand 19:27, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

GlimmerandSparkle 21:14, March 18, 2012 (UTC) Wait how could D5's Industry be Power? Like what type of Power? Sorry if this has been established already I'm just a little confused.

208.127.21.245 06:22, December 9, 2012 (UTC)There is a gramattical error in District 3's description on the Panem page. "There tributes" should be "Their tributes".


 * Fixed, thanks. -TagAlongPam  ( talk ) 06:31, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

I just started the first book of the hunger game series and my friend told me that it took place in northern Wyoming. Is this true?
Heck No!!!! It takes place in the entire North America, and the districs are all over the place. For example, 12 is in the Appalatians Mtns area, and the Capitol is by the Rocky Mtns. hope this helps ~ Sugardapuppy 23:42, December 16, 2011 (UTC

No, not true at all. Katniss lives in what we know to be the Appalacian Mountains. Katniss repeatedly describes District 12 as being very small. She also describes it as having snow in the winter, and obviously being a coal mining area. Based on these facts it's easy to make an educated guess that District 12 is located in that area that what we know as West Virginia and possibly parts of Kentucky and Virginia as well. I would guess it goes no further south than Kentucky due to 1) the snow is the big give away, and 2) when Katniss travels to District 11, which is unquestionably in the American South, she describes how hot and humid it is. If she lived any further south than Kentucky the climate of areas such as Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia would not be a shock to her. Liz

DIstrict 13
according to lionsgate district 5 is power. Isnt d13's industry nuclear power?

District 13 made nuclear weapons according to the book.Darknightholdtight 14:44, January 2, 2012 (UTC)darknightholdtight

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Nuclear weaponry, not nuclear power. Also, nowhere in Panem is described as being sustained by nuclear power, which partially explains their reliance on coal from District 12. Liz

This depends on whether you view the promotional images of the film as canon. The image off Capitol.pn shows District 5 as being responsible for generating power. On the image there is shown three electricity tower and three bolts of electricity bordering a symbol of an atom. This could imply that District 5 does generate nuclear power. 14.200.251.92 14:16, May 1, 2012 (UTC) Alex

Yes, District 13 produces Nuclear weaponry - as they were able to strike a deal with the Capitol after the first revolution - so they can obviously utilise nuclear power, as they wouldn't get it from District 5. Or, perhaps, as they couldn't possibly build any nuclear reactors, either, they may well be mining it. We know that they're very far underground and that they can't go overground. But, they have all this nuclear weaponry - so the logical reasoning is that during whatever caused the Earth to be this way (a.k.a. the apocalypse) there was a massive nuclear fallout and it's all stored underground, like fossil fuels.

Be this as it is, District 13's official industry is graphite mining - though there doesn't seem to be as much use for that at all, seeing as the district was indispensible. This 'secret' industry (nuclear) is like District 2. They're official industry is masonry - hitting stuff, basically - whereas they are secretly the weaponry and armed forces district (this would be Militia). So District 13's industry is officially Graphite, but is really Nuclear, and District 2's is officially Masonry, but really Militia.

So, yes, the Hunger Games Panem Companion says that District 5 produces all kinds of power - electrical, gas, and nuclear. (There clearly isn't a reliance on coal, so District 12 is indispensible, too.) This is after District 13 was destroyed, supposedly without any possibility of producing anything more. Therefore, they can continue 'mining' nuclear, but the Capitol won't acknowledge it, they left them under their own rule. Distric 13 can do what they like, produce whatever they like to keep themselves going. If the Capitol had seen them as a threat, they probably would have made them promise not to rebel, or even have stopped them harnessing nuclear (maybe actually have them make graphite and sell it on or something odd to stop them from having as much power).

I guess, simply, District 5 is the nuclear producer to all of Panem and, unknown to most citizens, District 13 is there producing nuclear secretly without any signs of life, as the Capitol agreed. Harperjackson9 (talk) 11:53, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Panem image
Okay, so in the picture that shows all the districts, it isn't really correct. I mean you might be saying. The person who made this doent actually know where they are. But, in the book it said and i dont acctually qoute but, it said the districts ring the captiol. and it is near the rocky's but it never said where. so i give my thanks to those who do agree but the picture does help kind of.

Thank, ~SamC


 * Agreed, I removed the images since they are fan-made and not necessarily correct. -TagAlongPam  ( talk ) 19:58, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Are the districts like states? Or are they like cities? It's hard to imagine a city that is the size of a state. Are ther multiple cities inside one district? I am very confused!!!!!!!

67.174.109.110 04:52, March 23, 2012 (UTC)A Movie From Ze Future

It is not explicitly stated in the books the size or jurisdiction of the Districts. However, looking at the assumed size of District 12 (with it having a mayor and the citizens knowing each other), they are some Districts the size of cities/towns. In comparison, it is stated that District 2 is composed out various villages situated around a mine. District 11 is additionally stated to be one of the largest Districts, composing a huge area of land.

Therefore, it can be theorised that the Districts vary in size and jurisdiction. Most of them maintain a town/small city basis and it is unlikely that any District has the infrastructure to rival the Capitol. A District's size would be based upon their industry. For example, District 11 has to have a large agricultural area while somewhere like District 3 would not require so much land. It is also likely that not all the Districts have shared borders. It is implied that the Districts generally don't have any contact with each other, so shared borders seem unlikely. This also supports the fact that between the District they is a lot of wilderness. The Hunger Games arenas are built in the wilderness, therefore there would have to be sufficient 'free land' between Districts. 124.183.149.66 07:17, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

I think that each of the districts is like a little nation itself, but controlled by a major goverment (The Capitol). I have heard a idea about the districts, stating that when the natural disasters was ended and Panem rised, it firstly wasnt Panem as we know it, but 14 nations, each with unknown names. However, the Capitol which was the most powerful, took control of the others and made it into Panem. This also might be the reason of the Dark Days.

HolyShorts123 (talk) 07:18, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Panem's Flag
The existing image used on the article page is a screenshot from the movie itself, and it is of lower quality. (Pixelated, blurry, etc.). I would like to suggest using a computer generated vector that is sharper and crisper. The following image is

Thanks! Capitol&#39;s Wrath 04:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither can be used. Because the other is clearly taken at a theatre, it's illegal. And this one is fan-made, and we don't want those images on our articles. 04:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. I was in fact wondering why the other flag had suddenly disappeared without warning. So am I to take it, from here one that there will be no image in that information box, as the previous versions before it? In addition, is there any place which this flag can be used? Or is it a canidate for the rubbish pile? Capitol&#39;s Wrath 05:01, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want to preserve a record of what flag it was you were referring to if it does get deleted you can post a link in place of the image, as I see that it was sourced from deviantArt. Broken Sphere  (Talk) 05:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think this is a good enough flag for the wiki. It doesnt earn the rubbish pile, it is clearly my favourite national flag of Panem undoubtly. I think it can be used to represent the Panem page. Say whatever you want, but I think that it should stay. By the way, I uploaded that flag, so dont you call it rubbish. Unpolite.


 * HolyShorts123 (talk) 07:14, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Future Republic
At the end of Mockingjay, Plutarch says that Panem will become a republic, a term Katniss has never heard before. Shouldn't it be mentioned that Panem either became, or was planned on becoming a republic of districts?14.200.251.92 14:13, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it should be recorded that Panem plans to become a Republic after Mockingjay. This should be edited. 124.183.149.66 07:07, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

District 13 location
Quoting the The Hunger Games chapter 6:

"District 12 is pretty much the end of the line. Beyond us, there’s only wilderness. If you don’t count the ruins of District 13 that still smolder from the toxic bombs"

Let's assume "beyond district 12" is the northeast, since most power plants of north America are placed there and there's no other direction that seems to match the description. Then following the map presented, maybe district 13 comprises Pennsylvania and the eastern part of Canada, especially Ontario, it's where graphite mines are in current days. I think that's enough facts to add more information about the suggested district 13 location.

Years Since the Dark Days
Just curious, is is explicitely stated somewhere that it has been 74 years since the 'dark days', or is that based on the fact that the book starts off with the 74th hunger games, which would indicate about 72 years (2 quarter quells + 72 annual games, then the third quarter quell)

It is not explicitly stated in the books if the Hunger Games were instated instantly after the Dark Days. However, it can be assumed that they were instituted in the space of a year for efficiency. Secondly, in the books the Quarter Quells are acknowledged as Hunger Games. So, the Second Quarter Quell also counts as the 50th Hunger Games. Just as much as the Third Quarter Quell counted as the 75th. 124.183.149.66 07:06, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Canon Issues
I don't know where else to put this but the wiki needs to have some regulations and rules ordering what people can post. Aside from unnecessary and inconsistent detail, there needs to be in place the precedent that is given to other fandoms, books over film.

Any information that is given within the books is the correct information and cannot be changed by anything in the film. If the film provides information that is not covered in the books than this may be added, but referencing the film as the source. If certain information is implied within the film that directly contradicts details of the books, then this information is not regarded as authentic.58.165.146.7 14:24, September 3, 2012 (UTC)Alex

Important districts
Which district is the most important in Panem? All of them has their own unique production, but some are more important than the others. I don't think District 1 is such important, as luxury goods isnt the most important thing in the world.

HolyShorts123 (talk) 07:06, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sources?
Hello,

I was just wondering where some of this information came from (namely the history of Panem, and the bit about the land mass changing event) and if there's any sources to be referred to? I'm relatively sure it was never referenced much in the books beyond the Dark Days in which the Hunger Games originated.

(I know this isn't proper Wiki where everything has to be backed up, but it's always nice to know, well, whether or not something is 'confirmed' by the author)

Thanks. : )

(Although, I do seem to be wrong. Have found a few passages pertaining to disaster; might be an idea to quote it on the page?)

Map of Panem in catching fire movie
Did anyone else notice that when katniss peeked in on the train drivers that they had a map of panem layed out does anyone think they could get a snap of it because it would be cool to know the locations of the districts

The first scene showing the map we can see The Capitol, Districts 2,3,4, 7, 9, 10, and 11

When Katniss peeks into that room a second time, they have windows up covering up most of the map with video feeds of the riots. However, when it zooms in you can see the what is left of the east coast and it appears that District 8 is just south of the New England region and directly below it is District 12.24.127.165.48 22:55, December 7, 2013 (UTC)